we don't know. but according to his pollster neil newhouse, who told convention goers earlier this week, here's what he said. "fact-checkers come to this with their own set of thoughts and beliefs and you know what, we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." well, with me now are the "hardball" strategist, steve mcmahon for democrats and on the republican side, john ferry. john, that was a hell of a statement, you know, because fact-checkers sort of do this for a living and they check facts and they're generally reliable. for the republicans to say we don't need no badges like in the movie, we don't need no stinking badges, we've got to be truthful, what do you make of that charge? what do you make of that statement? that statement? >> listen, your campaign has to -- you have to run your campaign. you can't dictate by -- what glen kessler says in "the washington post." or bill adair says in polite fact. i like both those guys. the fact of the matter, you have to say the facts as you believe them to be.